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One View of Today's Undergrads

James Johannes, associate dean for undergraduate programs at the School of Business, has a variety of first-hand experience with education at Wisconsin, having taught at the School of Business for almost 20 years, and having earned his B.S., MBA and Ph.D. in economics at UW-Madison. He spoke with UPDATE recently about his views of undergraduate business education.

  James Johannes
James Johannes

Q: How would you say undergraduate students today are different from students in your day?

A: The biggest difference is that in the '60s people were throwing stones at the business school, breaking windows during the Dow riots. Now they're breaking the doors down for a different reason-they want in. Students today are much more concerned about their future than we were. I don't know what it was back then in the '60s when I was in school but we sort of figured, "We'll get a degree, we'll find a job and we'll get on with our lives." Today's students aren't like that. In part it's because of the competition they face. When I was student it was much easier to get in here. Now you have to be in the top 20 percent of your high school class, and have an ACT of 27. Almost two-thirds of the students are coming in with Advanced Placement courses. The competition is much heightened over what it used to be.

Q: Are there other ways that today's students are different?

A: Thirty years ago, when I was a student, we spent summers bagging groceries for the IGA. Now students are working for investment banking firms, summer interning at Procter & Gamble or General Mills or Ford. The depth and breadth of business knowledge students bring to the classroom as undergraduates far exceeds what I saw in my undergraduate classes. So that's a real positive. I get a sense there's a much greater sense of community these days among students and I think a large part has to do with Grainger Hall. All their courses are here, the library's nice, there's a deli with a lounge for them downstairs, the Business Learning Center, computer labs. Everything is right here. Grainger Hall pulls people together. Students seem to know each other much better. Their involvement in student activities is greater than in the past.

Q: What do you think a business student from 30 years ago would find most surprising about business education today?

A: Besides the level of competition and internationalization of the student body and faculty, I think they'd be most surprised by the wide variety of undergraduate courses. Undergraduates have the opportunity to take the basic theoretical courses like we took in school, but they also have much greater opportunity to take advanced electives and practice business in applied programs. Almost every department has some sort of practical, hands-on experience built into its curriculum.

Q: What are the challenges facing undergraduate business education?

A: In this day and age, when so much emphasis is put on MBA programs, which are very costly, the question is: What's available for undergraduate education? As the undergraduate dean, I'm concerned with what we're able to offer undergraduates in terms of course selection, instruction, computer labs and other resources. That's a major concern of mine. Across the country, you see undergraduate programs being denuded in order to provide resources for master's education because that's where the rankings are. There are major business schools that have faculty who don't teach any undergraduates. That's a disturbing trend. At Wisconsin, a lot of our loyalty has always come from our undergraduate alums. I would hate to lose that.

Q: What would you most like to see accomplished in undergraduate business education at Wisconsin?

A: In terms of the university, I would like to see the state and UW-Madison provide additional resources so that we could accommodate more students who are interested in business. I would like to be able to increase the school's enrollment to 1,500 or 1,600 and also provide a "business minor" to the talented undergraduates from other majors across campus who want some exposure to business. In terms of the School of Business, we're always ranked somewhere around the top 10 undergraduate business programs in the country. Our goal is to be the top-ranked public undergraduate business program in the country.

 

 

By the Numbers

As of Fall 2001

Total enrollment of business undergraduates
1,470*
Pre-business students
837
Certificate in Business students
192
*is being capped at 1,300 for students enrolled as of Fall 2001

 

Lari Fanlund is the editor of UPDATE magazine.

 

 

 

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